This was really a fun map! i played solo at hardest was kinda a challenge but with necro u kinda just snowball. i won in 10 months . Great work. love to see more maps like this :) it would be much harder to win if u werent playing necro^^ 10/10 more...
While doing the map I noticed many AI blocking with caravans, and if I take cities I get many caravans from enemy AI. It seems AI is not able to manage caravans, to a point it create traffic jams and make the game very slow: probably what creates my savegame unloadable too. more...
Sorry to say that, the map blocked after I beat the 3rd player too (with a relatively small army on my necromancy hero - 4k skeletons-170 vampires-30 dragons-500 spiders- 200 lamasu), I'm not able to reload a savegame.
My Pc is decent, 8Gb Ram + Radeon HD8750 with addition 2Gb DDR5 Ram.
Nice map. I liked the ideas of spell learning and picking secondary skills for 2 main heroes.
I finished in 205 days, using the horn, rushing. Didn't get the Grail, AI found it before, so 442 points this time.
At the very end, I had to cheat a bit, since I could not find black tent needed t more...
I found myself chasing AI until I lost interest... I appreciate the time invested to make and test the map, but it is far from enjoyable (at least for me). I suppose giving town portal,blind and animate dead would make it too easy, but chasing around AI is really not an alternative. more...
I agree with the others who say that after Findan handles the initial counterattacks on the first couple of days, hire a rookie hero to defend, and let Findan move on. I gave Findan the Dragons, Hunters, and half the Druids. For Findan and the defending Hero, split the druids into equal stacks to fill in all 7 slots, for more lightning and stone spike joy.
As you get minerals to do so, make upgrading your defensive troops the top priority, so that your new recruits will stack with the troops you already have to defend. Don't even bother to recruit anything except druids until they are upgraded (except maybe Dragons). It is better to have an extra slot for splitting druids than to have 14 regular unicorns and 50 silver unicorns. So just don't recruit them until you can get silver. Same for the others.
Findan should blitz through the area. He can take the first mainland city on day one, hire a hero to follow behind him picking up gold and minerals and such, so Findan does not have to slow down to do that. Findan had expert Logistics and Pathfinding; this really helps!
Your defensive hero has to handle one battle before you upgrade and buy much in the way of reinforcements. One defensive tip: have a stack of druids take out his ghosts with lightning or stone spikes, since magic never misses. This will free up your towers to fire at more worthwhile targets for future volleys. My defensive hero got a bunch of levels out of this. I got expert light and a couple of the mass abilities just from the levels gained from this one battle, which really helped with the next battle. By the time the next battle came, I had upgraded everything except dragons (including the +2 luck for defending heroes, don't forget this one), and had bought everything the castle had for reinforcements, so the battle was not too tough. Meanwhile, Findan blitzed through, releasing the first hero and grabbing some good artifacts, then taking out the two garrisons to get to the second hero. Done this way, the scenario is really not too hard.
I don't think I've ever played a worse heroes map. Have to defend main town against never ending waves of necro heroes.
Who in first week come daily, later a bit rarer, but expect one each week.
Those heroes have lousy stats, but are 20+ levels, and they don't waste much time on spells.
Most of the times attacking your dragons, treants, unicorns. Also, each hero has a bigger army than previous one.
And while you defend the town, you must get 10 green dragons, 30 silver unicorns, and 50 druid elders.
Plus you must find two heroes that are in prisons in the land.
And as for this being worst heroes map I've ever played, it's not just becuase of those necro waves, map is also pretty ugly, with lots of wasted space.
Anyway, first time, I defended with Findan for literally months.
No mines at all to build those dwelling that are needed, so only managed to trade and build in month 3, 4...don't know now.
And just when I got those troops needed for objective (one that says that with them, town will be able to defend itself), and finally went with Findan to attack teal, ofcourse another necro heroes came. Bleh.
Second time went well.
First day, retook town, left all the troops in it but master hunters and unicorns, bought a hero (was Ossir), and went with Findan in boat.
Findan went south east, to take the town that eye of the magi reveals. Ossir on the other hand leveled up quite fast.
No wonder with that many enemy.
Eventually he lost all emerald dragons, but at same time other troops (and green drags) increased in numbers.
Anyway, Findan cleared area, took mines where that other town is...and when you feel ready break that teal garrison.
Regular inferno army there 10 some spectrals, 15 or 20 wraiths, 30 or so archliches, and so on.
Actually there are two garrisons on same road. Also, teal hero might come out as well.
Findan with help from some troops from other Sylvan town managed to beat both garrisons, teal hero, and finally poorly defended necro town.
Now just to get those two heroes (and those troops previously mentioned - they have to be in garrison in main town, as soon as you remove them from there, objecitive is active again).
One hero is underground for which entrance is near necro town. Second is close to south-western corner guarded by some titans.
Those heroes will be active in final scenario of campaign, so up to you if you want to level them up a bit.
I did, just one, underground one...but as it turns, all I needed from her was ability to cast Summon Creatures.
So good knowledge would be plus.
And logs as well.
There are so many bugs in the Heroes V missions...
I played this mission on heroic. With all that wood and gold floating in the sea, it almost doesn't matter whether you pick “hard” or “heroic” difficulty”. But you will have to rush for the mines in the enemy area because you don't have any mines near your (first) town.
The bug was, that the purple here seemed to be stuck in his upper right corner.
On day 1, I took the town. If you play right and already weaken his army in the first battle with Anwen (try to kill his skeleton archers and as many spectres or liches as possible, never waste attacks on his vampires as this are going to come back at the end of the battle; use the druid-thunderbolts on the spectres after you crushed the skeleton archers), you shouldn't have too many casualties in your fight with Findan. Just the sprites he attacks with his towers and some of your other units.
Then I moved straight into his (purple) direction with Findan to get all the resources on the way between the town and the upper right corner of the purple player. The purple player didn't move at all. Maybe I blocked his path, maybe it was my “Silent Stalker” skill that made my army appear too intimidating for him...
During the first weeks he attacked me two or three times with his armies while Findan stayed in town. But later he (I think it was Kaspar) stayed in his corner all the time and when a second purple hero came through the portal, he gave his stronger units to the other hero and moved onto my town with weaker units, sometimes with only 1 skeleton. It was always Deirdre who moved so suicidally...
In hindsight, I wouldn't recommend to attack Deirdre if you don't have to - she can only bring reinforcements if she respawns...
The army the purple hero assembled this way in his corner was quite big and intimidating, but it was never moved. I would have attacked it, but you cannot move into his spot. I feared that the purple player may attack when I least expect it and my big army is to far away (I saved the game every time before moving away with my main army too far away to not being able to return to my capital within two days via “town portal”), but I actually never had to return.
My advice for this mission, anyway, is:
Get 1 or 2 heroes to sail the sea immediately. After you cleared the sea and the coast area, wait for another battle with the purple player and after that, immediately move out so that you have enough time to return if necessary (get Findan on level 20 and a 4th level mage guild to get the spell “town portal” for this purpose). Leave a defending force in your capitol (a part of the druids, the treants and the blade dancers or war dancers, because you hardly need the latter units during besieging an enemy town). Split your druids to fill up all the empty spaces to be able to cast more and aim for his shooters/flyers first during being besieged. Once you have destroyed the enemy shooters and flyers, it may be a good idea to destroy the catapult. If he has only few flyers or shots left and your casters/ranged forces are strong enough, you may switch to attacking the catapult and let your melee units do the rest once the enemy is stupid enough to send the flyers over your town wall.
After that, immediately move out with Findan to get the elven town southwest of your capitol.
While you are doing all of this, try to use your secondary heroes to land on the landing spot south-east of your town and then move west to flag as many mines as possible and to draw attention from the town you are going to attack with Findan.
Once you have your second town and have defended your towns for some times, the mission is practically won. To complete the mission, take the last town (a Necropolis) in the eastern part of the map (you have to defeat 2 garrison armies to reach this town), free the two heroes from the prisons and finally, fill up the garrison of your capitol with an army strong enough (and maybe consisting of all the elven unit types). Btw, filling up the town's garrison means moving the units from the unit slots of the town-visiting heroe to the upper slots of the town...
Guys ive done everything but the scenario of Heroes 5 wnt trigger the victory? The stage hasnt acknowledged that ive rescued the 2 heroes and hasnt acknowledged that ive defended my castle against the necros. I really dnt wanna do this over again, ani ideas?
Audrius at 2012-07-18 17:35 wrote:
if you take 3 castles in Heroes 5 and save 2madafakaz just skip 4 weeks or more and buy creatures in castles and scenario will on
I have a problem unlike any I can easily complete the mission 2 heroes but i can not complete the mission of the garrison have 10 green dragons, unicorns 30 50 druids elderly ... please help what should I do??
Brad at 2011-07-10 00:18 wrote:
The following was done on normal with patch 1.60:
I found an interesting glitch in this map that made this one of the easiest campaign maps I've done since the first campaign. After getting the castle back, I left all my units expect my hunters, druids, and 10 emerald dragons at the castle, along with buying a new hero. Then, while still on day 1, I had Findan board the boat. I had my supplement hero pick up some of the nearby resources, which were guarded by some pixies which ran. On day 2, I had that hero return to the castle, while Findan headed for land by the Hunter's Cabin. In doing so, the purple hero never moved. Then I quickly went and captured the other elven town.
I grabbed the resources and the resource mines to the west of that town, and the returned to the town to build up my army a little bit. By week 4, I was ready to attack the garrisons. I'm not sure if it was approaching the garrisons that did it or how long it had been, but a second purple hero appeared and both headed to my castle. However, the one meant to trigger the event didn't attack, as it was scripted to take the boat that was no longer there. So after I beat the other purple hero, it waited outside my castle. Another purple hero never spawned for the remainder of the campaign, as long as I didn't touch that hero until I was ready to complete the mission. Since wiping out the teal hero was easy, as he hadn't even gotten bone dragons yet. I freed one hero and beat the purple hero just before I freed the other hero, ending the map with no difficulty.
I did this level 2 times...the firsth time i conquered both the sylvan and the necropolis castles and after i freed the 2 Heroes ... and the second time i just freed the heroes without atacking the castles...the first time i had a problem with that bug you mentioned earlier...so thanks! My opinion...Atacking the castles = activating the bug !
have u put 10 green dragons, 30 silver unicorns and 50 druid elders in main town?
Michael at 2007-02-09 11:19 wrote:
Heroes 5 walkthrough - Campaign 5 "The Ranger" - Mission 3 "The Defence"
Although the map size says "very big", this map is rather simple. When I say simple, I mean the landscape is not complicated; I don't mean the mission is easy. It is far from easy on heroic, especially after patch 1.2. You start the mission with a mandatory siege battle, defending the Sylvan capital. This is the only battle in the entire campaign story that you are supposed to lose.
However, before your troops die, you can make good use of them. Concentrate your attack on the skeleton archers, and you should be able to wipe this stack out. Your castle moat might also do you a favor by killing one or two high level creatures.
After this, it is Findan's turn to assault the castle. They AI's will concentrate their fire on your sprites, and then the dancers, so keep them defending all the time to delay your hunters from being the next victim.
If the enemies stay inside the castle wall, you will have a very difficult time especially after patch 1.3 toned down the ranged damage from outside the wall. Fortunately, the AIs are scripted that when it loses its ranged force, its melee units start to rush out (and get ganged up by yours). The key is DO NOT rush any unit in before that happens, or they will never come out. You know they are coming out when their melee units start to move. This may happen only after the AI loses a fraction of their ranged power.
It helped me a lot to march my treant forward, blocking the castle gate to take the heat. The AI units will come out to attack the treants from multiple directions. Then, our other units can now mop up to get rid off them. Try to conserve your emerald dragons as much as you can (don't fly them in!), because you won't be able to replenish them for a while, and they are very useful elsewhere.
This castle assault is very important for the entire mission. If you fight it well, the subsequent battles will become much easier. If you learned Resurrection back in mission one, resurrect your sprites back before the end, as they will save your most-valuable-hunter s in the coming battles.
Now you have the capital back, which is good. Let me explain a little what lies ahead. You are up against the teal player, who owns two towns, one Sylvan and one Necro. The Sylvan town on your SW is relatively close to your Sylvan capital, so it is a good idea to rush it with Findan. This is particularly important on heroic.
The bad news is purple heroes are coming to attack your capital constantly (similar to mission 5 of the Haven campaign). In fact, the next purple hero has already spawned while you are celebrating the liberation of your Sylvan capital! It only takes two days for them to start the siege. You get no more chance to retake the capital. You lose this mission as soon as you lose the capital the next time. In patch 1.3 you will see 3 more purple heroes in the first week, so it is possible that your low-level hero cannot survive, and you will have to keep Findan home to defend for the first week.
After the first week, you can expect one purple hero every one or two weeks. The strength of the attacking armies grows slowly, too. If you are playing at a high difficulty, you really don't want to keep Findan in the capital, because the purple heroes never stop coming, while the teal AIs never stop building until you force them to. ;) Here is what I recommend:
On Day 1, hire a new hero, swap his army with Findan's, and send Findan on the boat with the new hero's little army. You will use this new hero and 100% of Findan's leftover army to defend the first few purple heroes. The key here is to leave ALL your shooters (hunters and druids) with the new hero or you will lose simply too many melee units from their liches. Findan does not need the hunters to take towns, but you need them to defend towns.
You might also want to hire yet another hero to sail out to collect debris and chests. There is a bunch on your east, and after passing the whirlpool there are two more piles nearby. You can collect a couple dozens of logs from the initial investment of 10.
When the first purple hero comes, try to kill them off as soon as you can, even if it means losing a dragon. Ancient treants are excellent at blocking a breached wall, while the unicorn takes care of any enemy unit trying to get inside. Sprites and war dancers will become your damage sponge. Without them the enemy will target your hunters, so don't feel bad about their loss. After patch 1.2 the AI hero might drop some mighty spells (such as chain lightning) on your hunters. Too bad - there is no way to avoid it. On 1.3, though, the AIs seem to lost the ability to cast these spells, possibly due to the 200% mana cost.
After the first defensive battle, you can set the favorite enemy for your defending new hero. You can "update" your favorite enemy list whenever a new purple hero spawns (right click on it to check what it carries). I would highly recommend liches, and possibly vampires. They are very hard to kill.
The initial waves of assaults are the most difficult. If you have lost almost all of your hunters and druids (which happened to me every week after patch 1.2, but not 1.3), you might need to use Quick Combat at some point to save an otherwise impossible battle. Just to stay alive - your pain will be over soon.
Meanwhile, quickly sail Findan to the west and then south after you see the lighthouse. Your goal is to land at the shipyard at (1). Then, the Sylvan town is only two day's travel to the west. Now it is the time for Findan to summon all emerald dragons. These flying units are excellent for a quick siege battle. You should be able to take the Sylvan town with minimal loss before the first week even ends. Also, you will see an undead teal hero hanging around. Your emerald dragons will make sure they stay dead this time. If you don't see this hero around, be careful that he will try to make a run at your new town. Hunt him down as soon as possible.
Now you have two towns, and the teal player only has one. You can finally flag mines, so your victory is coming slowly! Your next goal is to get a lv 5 mage guild in one of your towns (better at the new Sylvan town, because Findan is nearby). Since patch 1.2, heroic, you have few starting resources and you don't really want to waste any of them on the buildings. Patch 1.3 made some adjustment to the resource requirement, but you are still very short on the rare-material side. If you haven't got it already -- you are shooting for the Resurrection spell. If you get Word of Light, which is almost useless, then try the other town. If you don't get it in either town, too bad. (I would restart the mission right here, but you can certainly press on and see what you can make out of it. You get 2 more chances to learn it in mission 5, but you can't get it early.)
On higher difficulty your capital is probably falling apart, so you may want to start rush Findan back to accumulate some army. It would be a really good idea to ship the new Sylvan town's growth back to the capital. In addition, there is a landing dock at (2), and a hunter's cabin nearby. If you are patient and would like to have 7 more hunters per week to defend the city, you can hire another hero to ship hunters to your Sylvan capital weekly. The teal heroes might be chasing after your low level heroes, and they will try to summon a ship if you leave one hanging. Better be careful than sorry.
Once you have Resurrection, you have successfully turned the tide of the entire campaign. Your emerald dragons, or everything Findan carries rarely dies from now on. Now Findan can break through the two garrisons (3 and 4) with a dragon-only army and laugh at the defending stacks.
After passing both garrisons, you have a choice of taking the remaining teal town or rescuing one of the two Sylvan prisoners in the jail at (5).
Note: One obvious change of patch 1.3 is that the two heroes you are about to rescue will have a pre-set level of 28, and 5 skills paths pre-developed (see the attached pictures). This means that you no longer have the freedom to develop their 6th skill, unless you happen to grab something useful from the Witch Hut underground in this mission. The two heroes also have very miserable stat point distribution -- highest spell power for a hero who knows little magic, and lowest spell power and knowledge point for a hero who use exclusively magic. Good job, Nival. Or maybe that's why they are incompetent and ended up in prisons.
The jailed hero at (5) is Talanar. He is a typical might hero, with no magic ability at all. He suffers from some low ATK and DEF stats, but he is still an awesome hero due to his Nature's Luck ultimate ability, which makes all physical attacks lucky (rainbow).
If you choose to rescue Talanar first, you can send him directly back to the capital to defend, and watch rainbows fly to the moon. If you are playing at a lower difficulty, or you have seriously messed up Findan's build, it would be nice to give Talanar Enlightenment or Light Magic to fix his weakness. Otherwise it doesn't matter -- you won't bother giving Talanar any army in the last mission because Findan is simply a better army leader. Make sure that Talanar learns town portal and summon creatures in this mission, though. (requires lv20 hero & lv5 mage guild)
The teal town is manned by a moderately powerful Necro hero. If you are fast enough, you might have scared him back to his castle by now. If you are slow, then he might have attacked you already. At this point you are definitely more than capable of disposing him without losing any dragons.
After wiping out the teal player, you need to rescue another hero, Dirael, a summoning specialist. She is held in an underground prison (6). The stairway leading to it is SW to the Necro town. Prior to patch 1.3, Dirael also starts with Nature's luck and does not give up a precious skill slot for the now-redundant Luck skill. For the 2 skills you can customize for her, I would highly recommend Light and Enlightenment, which boost her mana (Intelligence) and spell power (many more fire elementals), as well as giving her the precious Resurrection spell. She will become very useful in the last mission. Dirael is an army by herself!
Note: Patch 1.2 and 1.3 seriously toned down Dirael. Her Nature's Luck special ability is removed since 1.2, and in 1.3 she does NOT receive any extra stat point from her preset Expert Enlightenment skill. Combined with the removal of stacking elementals, she is now much less useful in mission 5.
Once you rescue Dirael, take your time to level the two heroes up (not necessary for patch 1.3) and explore the map. Your only remaining objective is to stock up enough troops in the garrison. (See the in-game mission objective to reveal the exact numbers you need.) If you have been buying units there, then you might have already fulfilled this objective unwillingly. To avoid the frustration of not being able to level up everybody to the cap before the map finishes, do not stock emerald dragons in your capital (you only need shooters for the defense, anyway).
When you are done exploring and levelling, take both heroes back to the Sylvan capital, swap them in and out the town, and the mission should be completed.
Note: Some people have reported bugs that the mission cannot finish, even if they have done everything required. If this happens to you, try this: Move Findan inside your capital, and the other two outside. Then purchase a new hero from the tavern. Also, you might need the latest patch (1.3 when this article last updated).
hi all, i've tried to complete it, but i've failed. i think one of the reasons is that the name of elf Dirael is written Diarel so maybe its a bug of the programmers. how can i pass this mess, i'm tired, i did everything they've asked for and still nothing happens! if i do need this path to work it all out, where can i d/l it?! (reliable source). thanx in advance!
to activate the freed heroes objective, move your garrison out of the capitol before you free the last hero. this will reinitiate the build garrison and free hero objective. free the last hero, move your garrison back in, and you're done. i didn't need the patch for it to work, but it was not much fun figuring it out
xing68 at 2006-09-19 10:23 wrote:
this one works for me
Note: Some people have reported difficulty finishing this mission, even if they have done everything required. If this happens to you, try this: Move Findan inside your capital, and the other two outside. Then purchase a new hero from the tavern
HELP!!!! I have the same problems like all of u, really desparate right now... been searching every corner of the map and switching the 2 heroes to diif towns also useless.... Arrrgghhhhhh.... anybody can help???? XD
Xander at 2006-08-01 19:08 wrote:
I have the same problem als Fighter. I've freed the 2 heros, but still I need to free the 2 heros....
Klaital at 2006-07-29 23:12 wrote:
You need to have a sizable army in the garrison of Syris Thalla. Put about all of your army in the garrison and end turn, that should do it (the objective only triggers if the garrison is properly manned at start of turn)