Heroes4 - Your opinions about Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1 - map rating = 2 Likes

Author: Ston3M4son, 02-06-2025 21:37
Update progress - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
So i finished the MAIN quest currently, and i corrected the presumed, or factual mistakes, confusing messages, put some additional guidance till now. I am at the 14. month, and i think it will be about 10 more month to finish the map. I have done almost none of the "sidequests" what ae not essential to the MAIN, only what was absolutely neccesary untill now.

Regardless that i know this map inside-out, i`ve been following All infos in the texts. So i am convinced at this point that the texts are properly synchronized IF you read them and follow them. But if someone still finds that somewhere is messed up, please tell. It is extreme amount of text and i can not remember every single one.

Till now 7 neutral army plus 2 Town joined Teal, and there is 10 more army left. I will kill them all as it contributes to the End Score.

Here is a challenge. I will post my end score here, and i would like YOU guys/gals to post yours.

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 27-05-2025 15:17
Optimization.. - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
Hello friend Ston3M4son!

Until you re-release the map version, I decided to share with you a few thoughts about optimizing your map that you could possibly use. Here they are. Perhaps you've thought about it yourself.

Since the map has a lot of scripts and other elements added, it can slow down on weak computers. There is an opportunity to make the work of weak computers a little easier. In the dungeon in a closed area in the lava ring where you put duplicates of all the heroes participating in the game for the beauty parade. There, as I understand it, you simply copied all the heroes along with all the scripts that were in them. So, despite the fact that these heroes are just standing there and never participate in the game, the computer still has to do the work of calculating the scripts that these heroes have each time, it spends its computing resources on this. Those heroes do not need scripts at all, it is enough to simply save the names and appearance. In general, they can be cleaned of scripts inside the heroes. After that, it will be easier for the computer to calculate your map in the game. You need to clean (delete) scripts carefully. After deleting a script in a duplicate hero, you need to check the main hero and make sure that his scripts have not changed. The main load is on the scripts of the heroes Rin, Iksha, Tasha, Zokala, well, all the main ones that create the plot.

Now about CRAFT.
Since (the CRAFT system) is one of the main elements of the plot, it would be nice (to focus the player's attention on it) to announce it to the players in a little more detail from Rin's lips at the beginning of the game. When Rin tells the player that he has the ability to increase the level of mana (magic) from time to time, then you can immediately casually tell the player that Rin can also create some fragments for Crafting (like Rin can get animal skins, bandit daggers, mummy dust, etc., and that all this will be useful to the player in order to create super items later). Now there is no such warning and many players do not really understand at the beginning of the game why they need all these demon skins and wolf teeth, etc.

Also about CRAFT, I want to give you some historical background (maybe you didn't know). The CRAFT system (creation of a new item that is not in the standard game) was first invented and demonstrated in 2002 on the map of Alexey Nazarov (Fragile World), by the way, long before the appearance of Equilibris. It's just that back then, there was no such concept on the Internet (CRAFT in the form in which it now exists in the gaming industry). In his case, during the game on the map, in order to win, the player had to create a new item (analogous to your great Pickaxe that opens access to closed areas of the map). In Alexey's case (the great Pickaxe) was called (REPUTATION), it was created from the heads of defeated enemies, receiving different levels of its power. Upon reaching certain values, it allowed penetration into previously closed areas of the map. And so gradually reveal the entire territory and only at the end get to the main villains. (REPUTATION) consisted of more than 40 fragments (heads of defeated enemies and completing some quests of the inhabitants of the lands). Also, for the final penetration to the main villain, the Great Key was needed (consisting of 6 elements - the player had to get them throughout the entire gameplay). The construction (REPUTATION) was the main storyline to which all secondary branches of the plot were subordinated. Since Alexey's map was made in Russian, almost the entire English-speaking world was not familiar with it, and if someone tried to play, they understood little, since without knowledge of the Russian language it is impossible to play this map meaningfully. Alexey's map (Fragile World) is the greatest masterpiece of mapmaking in Heroes4 - it has almost everything that could be created and invented. Reputation (crafting - creating prefabricated artifacts), theft, taxes, shops, banks issuing loans, interest, deposits, fines for "illegal" actions, recruiting, quests to save the soul, the transformation of heroes from bad to good, different lines of hero behavior, survival mode, a mode of restrictions on magic and potions, various quests and of course an interesting and intricate plot. Whoever has not played the map (Fragile World - has never known the real Heroes4). Last year, I suggested to Alexey to translate the map into a couple of languages (English, German..) and add a small update eliminating several errors, Alexey spoke positively about this, so perhaps after some time the updated version of the map (Fragile World) will be available in English. For now, it is in the testing stage.

So, returning to your map, I would recommend that you PRESENT yours (CRAFT system) more informatively because it is really important and it distinguishes the map from others, giving it a subtle charm.

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 24-05-2025 16:27
About the update and translation.. - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
Hello, Ston3M4son!
This is a long post, I hope you have enough strength to read it to the end.. No offense, but you often force players on your map to read huge texts, so stay in their shoes for a while.. (ha-ha). And so I begin my post..

My friend Razorockham recommended me to wait until you re-release your map based on his comments during the walkthrough. I decided to listen to Razorockham and therefore suspended my work on translating the map. I will wait until you update the map, let it be version 3.2, when it is ready, then I will start translating. Plus, I will remove the error due to which the map does not work in Equilibris 3.55 and 3.60 and call this version of the map 3.3

I don't have a List of Errors in the sense that you think I found on your map. Naturally, I can't find spelling errors in the English text since I barely understand English. You have to check everything yourself. There are a few that I found. I already wrote about them here, this is an incorrect name (Troglodyte Tail). You call it (Trogodlyte Tail), this seems to be incorrect. There is an error in the fragment processing script (Bandit dagger2), the map says that it was received (Bandit dagger3), this also seems to be an error. There is also extra code in the processing script (Pirate`s chain), the code for (Pirate`s chain 10) is added there, although it cannot be assembled. Also, fragment L3 (Unicorn`s Horn) has only 5 positions, although there should be 6. But then I realized that in this particular case you encountered a limitation on the maximum script depth and this prevented you from creating position 6 for (Unicorn`s Horn) and forced you to subsequently transfer (the ability to create CRAFT) to the hero (Eaksha de`Myxaet), although it was originally planned that this would be done by the hero (Rin Vis`Talara), but due to the limitation on the code depth, you had to rebuild the plot. Then there is an error in the script for the store (Butch). There you can sell memory crystals to any hero with a development level (1-99), although it is indicated that you will only be allowed into the store if the hero is not less than level 25. In addition, the description says that one crystal will give 20,000 gold, but in fact they give 30,000. In the towers with (list of Quests) there is information that the player can buy (potion of immortality) by completing the Tavern quest - however, this is a lie. When the player understands that he was deceived, his respect for the author of the map will decrease, because no one likes to be deceived. I will not write about the terrain errors, otherwise you will have to redo the terrain of the map. In principle, I am satisfied with the current terrain, let it remain so. All this is a trifle and does not particularly affect the game. If you want to fix it, of course. The text is also full of empty squares [] that spoil the appearance of the messages. There are probably two hundred of them.

Regarding my desire to do (translate and remove the error for Equilibris 3.55 and 3.60) last time I told you a little incorrectly about this, so now I will describe everything in more detail. I want you to understand everything clearly before you agree to the official update of your map by me to version 3.3

Before translating the map into other languages, I will have to remove the error. To do this, I will have to perform (a set of) actions. Naturally, I cannot remove the error without changing your map in some way (but this is a necessary measure). As a result, the map and scripts on it will change slightly, but you must trust me (I will not do anything extra, I will only do the bare minimum of necessary actions so that the map can work in Equilibris 3.55 and 3.60). However, seeing what I did, you will be surprised, but then you will understand everything. I will explain everything and you will understand that I did this to preserve the plot you created and the balance of the map. There is no other way. I tried dozens of options, but they all have their drawbacks one way or another. Therefore, I will do what you see - this is the best option possible.

In the description of update 3.3, which I will embed in the Update Log, it will be indicated that I received official permission from you for this update and translation of the map into three languages. That you are the author of the map and I am the author of update 3.3

Then you can do whatever you want with the map. For example, releasing update 3.4 and redoing everything there will no longer matter to me. But in version 3.3, it will be clearly indicated that I received permission for the update from you officially.

I will not change anything in the map plot and so on, everything will remain as is. However, for the fact that I will remove the error that they have not been able to find for 7 years, I ask you to allow me for version 3.3 to enable (in the map properties) the generation of a bottle (the Endurance potion) (ha-ha..) This is my favorite item in Heroes4. I do not like to play without this feature. In addition, (stamina potion) does not participate in your plot and will not affect the game in any way. I want official permission for this.

If you agree to all this, then confirm it with the text below this message. In fact, this will be an agreement between us. (friend Razorockham will be a witness.. ha-ha) After that, I will wait until you re-release the final version of the map. And then I will start implementing my proposal based on the new standard of the map.

I understand that this is a difficult decision for you, so take your time with the answer. Think it over carefully. Then write an answer. If there is no official permission, I will still make update 3.3 and translate the map into three languages. I will just write that this is not the official version of the map. That's all.

The result of all that has been said.
Here are the changes that I ask for your official consent for in version 3.3
1. Fixing an error when working in Equilibris 3.55 and 3.60
2. Translating the map into three languages: Russian, German, Chinese. (English by default)
3. Permission to generate (the Endurance potion) in the map properties.

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 22-05-2025 19:57
Answer to (the Endurance potion - is junk) - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
Hello my friend Ston3M4son!

This post is only indirectly related to your map, but I decided to write it for you. It may help you in your further work on future maps..

Sorry for not answering right away, I'm a little sick, so I haven't been near the computer much yet. At first I wanted to write you a lot about your map. But when I read your latest comments here and in the map section (The Eye of Osiris), I realized that my writing is useless. You still won't understand me. Don't be offended! We just have different perceptions of maps, and Heroes4 itself. And as a result, a different scale of values of game elements. This is very sad because I see that you love the game Heroes4, but you do not understand its essence. By the way, almost all map authors suffer from this.

I'll explain in a little more detail. For example: you called (the Endurance potion) useless junk. I found it funny..(any player who can show a decent result of the game on various maps will immediately understand that you are a weak opponent. Only a beginner can reason like that. You can play Heroes4 all your life and still not know their true essence.)
In fact (the Endurance potion) is the most mysterious item in the game. When used correctly, it allows you to win tournaments and create masterpieces of maps that cause admiration among players. In order not to be unfounded, I will give a small example, although it does not relate specifically to the topic of your map. But it will be useful to everyone who wants to really get to know the game Heroes4.

In 2018, a well-known website held an offline tournament for the classic version of Heroes4. The goal of the tournament was: To develop the main character to level 25 as FASTER as possible. The tournament was held on the map (ZmineZ) of the great master of map making Laelth.

(Laelth's dream has always been to create a perfect map that the player could perceive in a new way every time. In (ZmineZ) Laelth came as close to his dream as possible. When loading in the game, the Map is created with a unique terrain configuration every time. However, even on it there are several errors.) The entire plot of the map can be described on one page of text, but this does not affect the interestingness of the game. In that tournament, I naturally took first place.

My result was: 0 days 28 levels.
(that is, I reached the goal on the day of the start.. + Exceeded the goal)
The person who took second place had the result: 16 days 25 levels.
Third place: 35 days 25 levels and so on..

I was able to win in 0 days only thanks to the correct use (the Endurance potion). After the tournament, I wrote a small BOOK about how exactly I played and how I used the available elements of the game. At the same time, since there was almost no plot on the Laelth map. For the interest of readers, I created a storyline from my own playthrough of this map, weaving in many tournament participants (that is, my direct opponents) and using them on the map as heroes available for hiring. After that, naturally, people's interest in my description increased significantly.

I also provided everyone with my final file in which the hero reached 28 levels in 0 days. So that each player could download this file in their game. Then set it in the game settings (army speed to 3 or 4) and run the BUTTON (watch the move).

After that, you can see the real (Movie) in which all my actions that I performed from the start of the game are visible. Moreover, you can pause the movie at any time by pressing the spacebar and look inside any character on the map to see how many turns he has spent at the moment, how many turns are left, what artifacts and spells he has and much more. If you carefully watch the entire Movie to the end (a couple of times), you can learn a lot and discover new aspects of the Heroes4 game. Also, your perception of the game can change and you will be able to truly enjoy good maps.

In case you are interested in this opportunity, I have placed (the tournament map, the starting tournament file, my final file and my book with a description of the passage of the map in three languages Russian, German and English) on my cloud
HERE:
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/fKzm/h5br5DYqw

I have no doubt that the book and (Movie - watching my actions) will give you pleasure if you really love heroes4. I also recommend watching all this and reading to my friend: Razorockham

For the sake of interest, you can try to play the starting file of the tournament (it was common for all players) and try to get 25 levels. And you will be surprised to find that you cannot do it quickly. Even if you strain all your strength and try to quickly get 25 levels again, you will find that the result has improved but not by much. After that, you will be able to realize how accurately you needed to think through the strategy of each step of the heroes in order to win on the start day. For this, you need a good understanding of the game. Thinking up how to win, I got a lot of pleasure from the game. This is exactly why I love Heroes4.
And you say (the Endurance potion) is junk.. (ha-ha). You just don’t know how to use it. But you can learn it..

Tomorrow or Saturday I will write a post about your map. I am already tired now. In it I will indicate some points about the map more specifically. Since it is possible that you and I misunderstood each other because of Google Translate. Therefore, I will explain everything in more detail. By the way, extra things from the hero's backpack (junk) can simply be thrown onto the map if they interfere. It's easy.

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Author: Ston3M4son, 22-05-2025 01:00
New Map Looking for Partners - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
Hello everyone!
I am creating a new map, what i intend to make extraordinary. I am still in the progress so i am looking for talented storytelling creators to partner with me on it. Of course every effort will be properly credited in the final version.Please write a reply here i you feel imagination need to be unleashed to the unsuspecting players!

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 18-05-2025 20:53
don't worry buddy - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
Okay buddy Ston3M4son. I won't change anything in the map. Don't get excited, I was just fantasizing a little about Butch - you should have understood that. I mentioned the Council of Kanigham. (Ha-ha..) I really haven't completed the map yet. But that won't stop me from translating the map into three languages.

I wrote about Butch to see how you would react. I needed your reaction. I got it. Everything is clear to me. So I'll leave everything on the map as is and won't fix the errors I found (there are quite a lot of them, by the way). I'll just translate the map into three languages. And I'll remove the error due to which the map doesn't work in Equilibris 3.55 and 3.60. For this, I'll still have to make one change. I'll write about it in more detail in the map. I'll leave all the other errors as is. :) Do with them what you want.

After translating the map into Russian, German and Chinese, I might try to make a walkthrough of the map. Walkthrough of any map is always an important moment for me. I never take it lightly. I analyze every cell of the map and every idea of ​​the author. It is always interesting.

I will also ask a small question. Why is the Endurance potion prohibited on the map? It seems to be uninvolved in the storyline. I am just curious to know.

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 18-05-2025 13:54
for version 3.2 - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
Hi buddy Ston3M4son!

My friend Razorockham said that the map doesn't need to be translated into Dutch. Well, so be it. I'll only translate it into Russian, German and Chinese. Razorockham made my job easier. He acted like a true friend. Especially since I don't understand a damn thing in Dutch.

I've started working on the 3.2 update little by little At first, I just wanted to translate your map into several languages. Without fixing any script errors. But I still have to make a few minor adjustments. Here are a few of them.

1. Butch the merchant's shop is a mess. :) He and the "Storyteller" are misleading gullible users. I checked starting with the version available to me (2.2 - 3.1). The mess is as follows. Butch claims that he will sell bottles only to heroes with a level of at least 25. In fact, in all versions of the game, I freely bought immortality potions and sold him memory crystals to heroes of any level. For example, 1 or 5 makes no difference. Butch sells and buys, the main thing is to get to his hut. Moreover, Butch will sell or buy even if you visit him as any simple fighter, for example, a dwarf or an angel. The level restriction of 25 for heroes does not work. Also, when buying memory crystals, Butch brazenly deceives players by saying that he will buy a crystal from them for 20 thousand gold, but he himself gives them 30 thousand gold. In addition, in version 3.1, both "Storytellers" sitting in the towers of the "quest list" (one near Rin Vis`Talara, the second near Kosala -The Eye-) brazenly lie to good users that they can buy immortality potions after they complete the "Tavern quest", although by this time Butch has already "foolishly" changed his trade profile and switched to the computer business. In general, a complete mess.. :)

Therefore, at the "Grand Council" of John Van Canighem, it was decided. In the book of fates, to rewrite Butch's fate before the release of update 3.2. So that he does not mislead good users of the map. The meeting lasted five days, all this time there were heated debates about whether to leave access to immortality potions on the map. However, in the end, John Van Kanigem decided that the author should not deprive players of the opportunity to get an immortality potion in one way or another. It would be unfair. It is possible to make it more difficult and complicated. It is impossible to completely prohibit it.

Since the "Trader Butch" quest is too good to only end up with the opportunity to sell pathetic memory crystals. John recommended returning the ability to buy immortality potions to players as a reward for completing it. This will not upset the balance of the game. But it will make it more interesting.

Therefore, Butch will now combine both businesses. Medical and Computer. But the conditions for selling and buying will change. Since Butch had previously traded regardless of the buyer's level, it was decided to remove this condition from this script. That is, now, having reached Butch's store, the player can buy and sell items with a hero of any level or even a simple fighter. (Of course, it was possible to leave the level limitation, but this greatly complicates the writing of a script for selling, which is already complex. And besides, this condition does not make much sense. Since the heroes will already be highly developed by the time they access the store. I also removed interaction with resources other than gold from the script. For the same reason. That it greatly complicates writing a script for selling. And it does not make sense because all resources can be obtained through exchange for gold anyway. There will simply be more hassle with writing a complex script. Scripts should be written as simply as possible. This is better for the game.) However, I decided to complicate the use of immortality potions since they should not be easily accessible. Therefore, the pricing policy for selling and buying in the "Poor Fellows Butch" store is now adjusted in accordance with the market and inflation. (I will also correct the information in the "Quest Towers" that the "Storytellers" give out about this quest of Trader Butch. So that it corresponds to the truth and does not mislead players.)

The mechanism of the BUTCHA shop

You can buy IMMORTALITY POTIONS:
1st month of the game: 10,000 gold
2nd month of the game: 20,000 gold
3rd month of the game: 45,000 gold
Starting from the 4th month until the end of the game: 90,000 gold per bottle

You can sell the "MEMORY CRYSTAL":
1st month of the game: 30,000 gold
2nd month of the game: 20,000 gold
3rd month of the game: 10,000 gold
Starting from the 4th month until the end of the game: 5,000 gold - per crystal

The updated Butch's shop mode will help develop strategic thinking in players. Motivating them to find ways to start trading with him faster.

Also, a few minor things on the map will be fixed:
2. (Trogodlyte Tail) will be renamed to (Troglodyte Tail)
3. An error in the script for processing fragments (Bandit dagger) will be removed. Currently, the fragment (Bandit dagger 2) displays the message (Bandit dagger 3), this will be fixed.
And there will be a few more minor changes.

I wanted to describe them in detail in the Change Log, but due to its limitation on the maximum length of the text message, this is impractical to do so. Therefore, I will only briefly mention it there.

All this was asked by John Van Canighem (Ha-ha... ) to do in the update (3.2), but first he told me to inform you about this, my friend Ston3M4son. So that it would not be a surprise for you. It may be difficult for you to accept. But trust me. Work on your new map and don't get distracted by this one. Everything will be fine. Here are pictures of the Butch store operating regulations (in different languages)... That's all the news for now, friend Ston3M4son!

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 11-05-2025 19:27
Surprise and Riddle for Ston3M4son.. - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
Hello, my friend Ston3M4son!

I have good news. I have finished analyzing the map. I liked it.
I want to make you an offer.

Since the map is enriched with an interesting plot, I decided to expand the audience of users of your map.
For this, I decided to update the map to version 3.2

In this version I will translate the map into:
Russian - (for myself)
German - (for you, Ston3M4son. So that you can appreciate my work)
Dutch - (for my friend: Razorockham)
Chinese - (for the Chinese brothers, of whom there are 1.5 billion people on earth).

I will also remove from the map an error that prevents the map from running in other versions of Equilibris. After this, the map will work normally in Equilibris 3.51, 3.55 and 3.60. The text of the map will also be displayed normally in all five languages: (English, Russian, German, Dutch and Chinese).

I will not touch your story or change the map's terrain in any way. I will not touch a single tree you placed. Everything will remain the same. The map will simply be presented as a pack of five maps in different languages and it will work in any version of Equilibris. I will also add a detailed description to the Update Log (Update 3.2) explaining what the error was. You will be listed as the author of the map. Me as the creator of Update 3.2

Because I respect the work of map authors. I want to get your OFFICIAL CONSENT for this.
If you agree to this, I will indicate that (update 3.2) has been agreed upon with the map author and will post the entire package right here on the map comment pages. Then you can put it in the upload form and supplement the map description on the map page. Or release update 3.3 and so on.

If you do not agree. Then I will do the same but add that (update 3.2) has not been agreed upon with the author. Therefore, it is (NOT OFFICIAL). And I will simply post it here in the text of the map page comments as my post with a link to download the map package. You can ignore it.
I will perform all the above actions with the map from a single latest map reference:
(Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1 from May 05, 2025 [23:51]).

If you want to change something, send me another standard. I will wait for your answer within a week. Then I will start working on creating Update 3.2. It will not be easy. I do not know how long it will take. But gradually I will do it.

Decide how your position will be presented. Agreed with the author or not agreed with the author. I hope you will correctly understand the entire text that I wrote through Google Translate.

So what do you say buddy Ston3M4son?

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Author: Razorockham (Netherland), 06-05-2025 21:06
Day 183 Easkha is free - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
I replayed a lot of my earlier mission. Day 183, four heroes levels 39-38-38-17, with 18 megadragons. What now? Two options: beat Arken Voss, to acquire the Master's spellbook. Or to go underground looking for the pickaxe and for the spell Vampire touch? Stonemason, I send you my autosave.

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 05-05-2025 19:32
it was a test.. you passed it :) - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
Hello buddy Ston3M4son!

I knew you would answer something like that! (Haha...) Okay, forget my question about the Mirror Mantle. Don't send me anything. I don't like trades. In a while I might write a short story. It will be called (How to quickly get the original Pickaxe 1.0). In the meantime, wait for further comments. I'm analyzing your map.

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Author: Ston3M4son, 05-05-2025 18:22
Request - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
I make you a deal. Write a short story, about someone who is looking for the answer for the question:
- Am i seeing when i look, my projection of my perception, or do i observe what is REALLY there?
You give me the story i give you what you requested.

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Author: Ston3M4son, 04-05-2025 23:31
artifacts - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1
to my best knowledge only the Mantle of Spell Turning is available from treasure building.

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Author: Razorockham (Netherland), 04-05-2025 11:45
Spell Vampire touch - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Day 196. I circumnavigated the whole middle continent. Tasha is now level 43 and had 18 megadragons. New visit to the underworld. I stole the spell Vampire touch. Now let's try to visit the last Dream teacher. Oh, and I don't agree with my theological opponent Aquinas. What he described as an serious error is only a minor thing. Any medieval crafsman like Stonemason could repair this - if he would. Thanks to him for his advices.

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Author: Razorockham (Netherland), 03-05-2025 13:19
My progress - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Thenumber of quests still is rather confusing. It is day 175 and I already brought a short visit to the underwold, but the enemy was too strong. I decided to free Eaksha and then started a sea journey, with my three heroes and their weak artefacts. My 16 megadragons are not strong enough to slay pirate Rufus and his 44.000 men, so I have to go back, searching for reinforcements. I think I'll go to the middle continent and try to conquer a nature castle, hoping for the spell Dragon's strength. We will see.

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 03-05-2025 10:54
Comment [=02=] on the map walkthrough. - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Hello my friend Ston3M4son!

I really don't understand English much - that's true. But it won't stop me from analyzing your map. Moreover, it will even help me to concentrate better on the game. So don't worry about it. As I said before, I never rush the game, even though I play for speed. It's a paradox. But it's the best way to enjoy any map. Also, I repeat, my goal is simple. I just want to know how long it will take me to get (Original Pickaxe 1.0). Then I will decide whether I will continue playing. And yes, you have rightly noticed that writing comment texts takes a lot of time. However, you yourself wrote the following text at the very beginning of the publication of your map: [Any critics, comments would be appreciated. to rotorcame@tutanota.com (but please tell me the WHY also)], so I will provide you with criticism and its justification, as well as my opinion on your work..

I still haven't started the map walkthrough. However, I may have found a (SERIOUS) error. It is that in the starting city, in the Institute of Magic (level 1), all spells of Order, Death and Life magic from level 1 to 5 are immediately available. Despite the fact that the construction of (the Institute of Magic) from level 2 to level 5 is prohibited in the city. It turns out that simply by increasing the level of Order magic proficiency for example for the hero (Rin Vis`Talara), say to level 4, he will simply enter the city and immediately learn all the spells of level 1 to 4 (School of Order), although only (the Institute of Magic level 1) is built in the city. It is clear that this is a script ERROR. And it must (MANDATORY) be fixed.

I tried to run the game on different versions of Equilibris (English 3.51, Russian 3.51) the error is present everywhere. Then I traced the error back to the original 2008 map. The result is as follows: There is no error in the original 2008 map. In the Equilibris version, starting with map versions (2.2), (2.32), (3.1), the error is always there. I don't have other versions of the map, so I don't know if it is there, but I think most likely it is. This is a pretty serious error that needs to be fixed.

The same situation is repeated with the city (Blubbatown) and there are probably other cities with the same situation. I didn't check further. If this is not an error, but perhaps part of the plot, then I just misunderstood this situation with the Institutes of Magic in the cities. But in any case, it looks strange and I would like to hear your comment on this before starting the game. For now, I will consider this (Error number two).

Stay tuned for my further comments my friend: Ston3M4son!

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 02-05-2025 14:37
Comment [=01=] on the passage of the map. - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Hello friends Ston3M4son and Razorockham!

Thanks for your answers. Perhaps I will ask more questions as I go along. So now I have numbers that I can cling to. According to you (Ston3M4son) the approximate time of obtaining (the First original pickaxe 1.0) is approximately 6-7 months. Also judging by the picture, my friend (Razorockham) has not yet received this (pickaxe 1.0), but he has played only 108 days if I correctly saw the numbers in his picture, that is, only about 4 months. Please (Razorockham) write me the day when you receive (Pickaxe 1.0) I will need this to analyze the map. And I will take into account your comment: [This map is so difficult! Impossible? Credo quia absurdum]. Yes, indeed, the map is not as simple as most others. Buddy (Ston3M4son) tried hard to confuse the players. He deprived us of almost everything we needed for comfort at the start - having slipped us a couple of pathetic Megadragons and a dozen Sorceresses in return, basically leaving us alone with a hostile world. (Ha-ha) ... yes, it will not be easy here ...

So I can start the game. I always play only on the difficulty level - [Champion, mobile guards]. I do not consider other options. I will say right away that I never rush with the passage. I always try to enjoy the process of learning the map. I can think for weeks about how best to play a certain game day. To use the time most effectively to develop my heroes. This is where I find the main thrill of playing Heroes4. In fact, I always play at [game SPEED. I try to find the most effective sequence of actions during one day. And so on every subsequent game day. To complete the map in the shortest possible playing time - having extracted from it the maximum of the story of the plot] since this is the best way to enjoy the game by finding solutions that are not visible at first glance. That is why I asked you about the time.

First of all, I want to carefully consider the starting position. Because it is very important. Here are my comments on this matter.

Because the starting position is the first thing the player will see. In other words, the first impression. Therefore, the author's task is to make it (the first impression) pleasant in any way. Because it will subconsciously be superimposed on the player's entire perception of the map. If the first impression is bad, then no matter how hard the author tries, the player will associate the map with negative emotions. The player himself may not even notice this, but his internal balancer of values will place the map on the negative side of the scales and it will be very difficult to change this internal balance of the player.

Once on the map, the player should feel that he is good and cozy here (of course, within the original plot of the game). He should be drawn to come back here again. Then the author must capture the player's attention (with the story), directing him in the direction he needs. When the player gets used to the map a little (his new place of incarnation as a certain person), then the author can safely begin to load him with obstacles, creating difficulties. By this point, the player himself will want to restore his first warm feeling of coziness that he experienced when he first got to the starting location. And so why am I saying all this? Well, here's why.

Imagine that you really live in this starting city (Order), that you are, for example, (Rin Vis`Talara) or some gnome or halfling who needs to leave the city every day to work at the sawmill. What will you see when you go outside the city walls. Ha-ha.. right outside the city gates there is a desert (sticky sand) that steals your weak forces. What will the city residents think in this case: Well, here's what. The city authorities do not care about the improvement of the city at all, is this normal for a city (Order) of course not. What the hell do you say, where does the money go that I pay for the improvement of the city. Where do the taxes go that the government regularly takes from my pocket. And in return they can't even make a normal road at the city gates. The population will be unhappy and in a couple of months they will revolt ...

It is not logical that a normal stone road starts somewhere a couple of kilometers from the city. Therefore, this situation will cause you to feel negative about the city (on a subconscious level), spoiling by the way (the first impression of the game). Naturally, the roads should be connected to the city gates. And the troughs with water should be on the side of the roads and not blocking the road in the middle, as we see in our case. Therefore, it is necessary (URGENTLY) to eliminate this illogicality in the next map update. It is easy to do. You just need to add two or three cells of the stone road to the city gates and move the trough to the left by one cell, placing it on the side, as it should be in normal settlements. After this, (the first impression of the map) will improve by 100% and the player's subconscious will perceive it as a cozy place to start a long, pleasant journey across the map.

Therefore, I consider this (the first) error on the map that needs to be eliminated. This is approximately how the starting location should look in order to get (the love of the people). I'm attaching a picture (I deliberately put the Hero in the city so that it would be better to see what I'm talking about, naturally at the beginning of the game he should stand in his usual place, that is, at the city gates, but only on the stone road). This change will not affect the plot, but it will increase the attractiveness of the map. That's all for now. You can object and give your arguments... (I am writing through Google translator from Russian to English, so I don’t know how well you understand me… but I hope you do :) Naturally, I will only play on your original map [without my recommended corrections].

Wait for further comments, friend: Ston3M4son!

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 01-05-2025 22:22
How long does it take to get (Pickaxe 1.0)? - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Hello my friend Ston3M4son!

I decided to write this text for you. After looking at the code of the map (Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1) I realized that you spent a lot of effort to rework the original map (Rise of an Empire - by Andreas Strande 2008). You spent an incredible amount of work, practically put your soul into it. This aroused my interest, although you transferred the map from the classic to Equilibris. From a small initial story in the original map, you spun a huge story with a plot and many quests, enriching the map with various scripts. Truly, you have done a great job - I show you respect and admiration.

Recently you wrote that you were going to create a new map, according to you, even cooler than this one. After appreciating the huge amount of work you have done and despite the fact that I rarely use Equilibris, I still decided to try to play a little on the map (Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.1) and write here about my impressions. My goal is simple - to get the first version (Original Pickaxe 1.0).

In this regard, before starting the game, I would like to clarify with you. Since it is natural that you know your map better than anyone. If I play in the difficulty mode (Champion - mobile guards), then in your opinion: how much game time (Here I mean the time that flows in the game in the format [day / week / month]) will I need to get the first version (Original Pickaxe 1.0)?

In your comments to the old (updates 2.2) I read that you write: [The number of hours of play has been increased to about 45+ months or I don’t know (it took me 38 hours). Just to go down to the Dungeon, it takes about 15 months]. As I understand it, you can get (the first original pickaxe can only be obtained in the dungeon), so I want to clarify with you - how much time approximately is needed to get this (Pickaxe 1.0)?

Perhaps I will try to describe here how I will play. I will also write about map errors if I come across them and express my opinion about the map and the work you have done with it.

Waiting for your answer, friend - Ston3M4son.

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Author: Ston3M4son, 30-04-2025 02:34
Wand of Illusions - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Wand of Illusion - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Aenain holds the Wand of Illusion, and to get it from him you have to visit Sekana and finish her quest,to make her give you the spellbook and THEN come back to Aenain so he will give you the Wand of Illusion.
If you try to attack Bubbletown, the Wand will be destroyed and you will not be able to finish actually the new part of the updated map.
Soul Stealer is held by the Lich in underground and there is several hint on the way to direct you in the correct location. You need to use the Tunnel on the left bottom shore of the Right continent.. The Lich is not far from there. If you remember the 2.2 version . the Lich its south from the Genie who gives you the Brimstone Breastplate for Oxomon the efreet.
Soul stealer will give Tasha EXTREME power.. for a price ofc :))

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Author: Ston3M4son, 29-04-2025 23:46
You are right in some way. - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Heroes Ultimate is NOT affecting any map i create, as that one is completely remakes the system so i do not use it. Equilibris is in my opinion elevates the experience. Ultimate i use only for the resolution. Its not even needed to play my maps.
On the other hand, if you play this map Rise of an Empire of heroes 3.0, you will see what i mean on another level. As this map is ALREADY on another level.
And i am going to go beyond this one with my new. Both in scripting, both in story.

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 29-04-2025 21:36
Version 3.2 ?? - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Hi Ston3M4son!

I think there was never a version 3.2? I've never heard of it. You probably meant version 2.2, it's on

I also have version 2.32 on my hard drive, maybe you were talking about that. It doesn't seem to be anywhere else on the internet. Although I could be wrong.

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 29-04-2025 21:33
New map (another level) - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
New map (another level)So what is this new (unusual) map that is far from complete but the basis is already there and what does it mean (another level)? If the map is made again based on Equilibris or even worse based on a mixture of Equilibris and the mod (NimoStar) (Ultimatum) then this is a bad idea. The best option if you want to create a map that most players will love is a regular classic version of the hero. There are not so many truly magnificent maps. And real masterpieces are few and far between. To create such a map is a great luck and skill. One plot is not enough for a masterpiece map, you need to take into account everything. (Balance, Beauty, User circle and of course the story that the player will see). But in general, this is a good thing. Classics, despite all its mistakes, are the best choice in such a matter. Well, in general, I wish you success.

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Author: Thomas Aquinas (Russia), 29-04-2025 20:39
Master Spellbook or Wand of Illusions? - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0 - Rise of an Empire of Her
Hi buddy Razorockham.

I haven't played this map but I'm interested in your question. I quickly looked at the map code and roughly understood what you need to do. So you need to find the Teacher's Spellbook, it's with the Witch (Sekana). She sits on the other upper side of the Middle Continent. I marked her dwelling with a red circle on the map picture.

You also need to visit (6 dream teachers) (these are Sphinxes) after that when you approach the city of Blubbatown where an evil man named Aeneas sits, you will be offered to exchange the Teacher's Book for the Illusion Rod. This rod is part of the Archmage set. You must definitely get it, otherwise you may not be able to finish the game. Therefore, it is not advisable to simply kill the man Aeneas without receiving the Illusion Rod from him. All this happens on a small piece of land that I highlighted with a yellow elongated circle on the picture.

(Dream teachers) are scattered throughout different places on the map. I highlighted all 6 of them with yellow arrows in the picture where they are. As I said, these are ordinary Sphinxes, when you approach them, a text message will pop up that you should touch them, then (the Teacher of Sleep) will teach you something.

Write if my advice helped you? I'm interested. Also, please write on what game day exactly you reached the city of Blubbatown. For example, day 6 week 1 month 1 and how many heroes did you have by that time?

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Author: Ston3M4son, 29-04-2025 19:00
Wand - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
You do not have to click on the town to return the Spellbook. The Trigger event is placed about 3-4 tile from the town on the path. Just walk towards the town and if you have the spellbook the event will trigger.

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Author: Ston3M4son, 29-04-2025 18:55
Wand of Illusion - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Aenain holds the Wand of Illusion, and to get it from him you have to visit Sekana and finish her quest,to make her give you the spellbook and THEN come back to Aenain so he will give you the Wand of Illusion.
If you try to attack Bubbletown, the Wand will be destroyed and you will not be able to finish actually the new part of the updated map.
Soul Stealer is held by the Lich in underground and there is several hint on the way to direct you in the correct location. You need to use the Tunnel on the Right bottom of the Right continent.. The Lich is not far from there. If you remember the 3.2 version . the Lich its south from the Genie who gives you the Brimstone Breastplate for Oxomon the efreet.
Soul stealer will give Tasha EXTREME power.. for a price ofc :))

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Author: Razorockham (Netherland), 29-04-2025 07:27
Master Spellbook or Wand of Illusions? - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Hello, I managed to reach the castle Blubbetown, still searching for the Soul stealer. What a quest, map a map!! I do not understand the text of Aenain: he wants to have the Master spellbook but also the Wand of Illusions. Both? Are they both in the hands of Sekana?

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Author: Razorockham (Netherland), 25-04-2025 21:21
Picture of Tasha - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
I forgot to send you a picture of this poor, weak Tasha. It happened two times. The first time I could restore this with my autosave. The second time I did not see this, and so I was too late

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Author: Razorockham (Netherland), 25-04-2025 20:11
Problem: Tasha has lost all his power - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
It was in 2019 when we discussed the improved version you planned of this plan. Finally it's published! Quite a challenge, you made for us. I will inform you about my progress - I hope.

In the neighbourhood of the stronghold Levkas Tasha suddenly has lost all his attack-defense power and his magic pointes. Without any reason! Do you recognize this problem?

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Author: fabjan (Poland), 21-04-2025 19:17 Like
Question about Pickaxe - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Hi, my biggest problem rn is how to get the original pickaxe 1.0? I know it should be in underground but I really dont know where to find it, I would love some help/tip or map where it is. To this point map is amazing:) Thanks in advance

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Author: fabjan (Poland), 21-04-2025 19:12 Like
Question about Pickaxe - Rise of an Empire of Heroes 3.0
Hi, my biggest problem rn is how to get the original pickaxe 1.0? I know it should be in underground but I really dont know where to find it, I would love some help/tip or map where it is. To this point map is amazing:) Thanks in advance

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Author: Jozsef (Mako, Hungary), 02-04-2025 09:33
As much as I enjoying the map it is making me really really frustrating. - Rise of an Empire of Her
As much as I enjoying the map it is making me really really frustrating. I am sending an screen shot where am I and even the map editor not helping me. If you avoid a spoilers I sent an email yesterday morning (7:39) you can bring up spoilers there about the map.
Thanks.

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